I emailed Doug Grant in Jan 2009. From posts he made to forums he had written. He is the supplier of Kit 25705
It appears from dna evidence that my Grants there are all decended from a Family of Stewart Grants that moved from Scotland. They could have come with the Plantation between 1610/1630 (possible deccended from a John Graunt (as appears on documents) on the 1630 Armagh Muster) or after the 1641 Rebellion ( possibly from a James Grant of Scots birth who was related to and had served with General Robert Munro and General Alexander Leslie in Sweden and could be on the 1642/43 Scots Army Muster of Officers in Ireland). The Grants of the plantation appear to have held onto their farm lands under Cromwellian persecutions with their name on the records taking the Swedish/Norwegian spelling of Graant on the list of Adventurers.
My family farmed these well into the mid 1800s when the"scandal" meant a split in the family with us moving to the North East of england and others in the family being spread to the New World. John Grant, my Great-Great Grandfather was born in 1833 and left Ireland for the North East of England in the 1850/60s. The Grants were well estabilished in that area as Farmers. I am currently researching the origins of my family within the area of Armagh, Louth and Down (primrarily in the parishes of Mullabrack & Ballymore, Creggan, Forkhill and Newry in Armagh, Roche, Faughart and Innerskeen in Louth and also Innerskeen, Monaghan and Newry in Down.
My family are Catholic but due to family stories have not ruled out the possibility of a convert from Presbyterian in the past. I have stories from my family of a major disgrace in the family that led us to being Catholic.
His dna results are similar to (21/25 match), but quite removed in time from, many Grants with "Stewart" background. And are also quite distant from the classic Nial or NW Ireland modal with only a 18/25 match.
|match in 25||R1b1b2||R1b1b2||R1b1b2||R1b1b2e|
|Locus||DYS#||25705 Grant (Louth)||85435 Grant||30499 Grant||Niall of Nine Hostages|
|3||19 (aka DYS 394)||14||14||14||14|
|28||YCA II a||19||19||19|
|29||YCA II b||23||23||23|
There are a number of kits lumped as "Grant - Stewart". Doug Grants dna is in the region of a 21/25 or a 20/25 match to these.
Kit 30499 refers to the descendants of John Grant (c1700) in Inverlochie and his wife, Jean Forbes. They had several children, all born in the Parish of Kirkmichael, Scotland.
Kit 121522 is a descendants of John Grant (c1700) in Inverlochie and his wife, Jean Forbes. Their place of origin is unknown. They had several children, all born in the Parish of Kirkmichael, Scotland. John came to America in the mid 1700s but it is unknown whether he stayed or returned to Scotland
Kit 27245 is a descendant of William Grant born 1847 in Evanton, Ross-shire, Scotland, who emigrated to Dunedin, New Zealand in 1879. The identity of his Grant father cannot yet be proven, but it looks highly likely that his father was William McKenzie Grant (1827-1903, a tailor in Elgin, Morayshire)
Kit 93864 is tied to James Grant who married Isabella Cameron 9/9/1788. At the time of his marriage he was living at Mill of Tore (Balnain) in Glenurquhart west of Drumnadrochit. The DNA results show that James is decended from the Grants of Shewglie/Sheuglie but James' father is not known. Two possibilities are Alexander Grant (The Swordsman) descended from the second son of Robert Grant 2nd. of Sheuglie and Colonel Hugh Grant of Moy descended from the first son.
Kit 42813 is a lineal descendant of Robert Grant (born about 1760) and his wife Elizabeth Grant, who lived in 1784 at Oldton of Sheuglie in Glenurquhart, Inverness-shire, Scotland. Robert was a soldier in the 42nd Regiment. He is likely a male line descendant of the cadet families of either Grant of Corrimony or perhaps Grant of Sheuglie, both in Glenurquhart. In 1790 he was living at Ballintrom (near Tomchrasky) in neighbouring Glenmoriston, but later children were born in Glenurquhart. Kit 42813 is a second cousin of Kit 90842
Kit 24708 provides a direct link into the line of the Chiefs of Grant through "the Good Sir James" (fl. 1800) and Sir Duncan Grant, 1st of Freuchie (fl 1450) to Andrew Stewart (fl 1320) who married the heiress Maud Grant, adopting the surname Grant (see Monymusk text etc. at www.clangrant.org.uk ). For the moment at least, our best guess is that Andrew was the eldest, but illegitimate, son of James Stewart the 5th High Steward.
Kit 56077 William Grant c1764 -1840 is my earliest ancestor. Married to Christian McGregor he lived in Cromdale, Moray Scotland and was a miller at Castle Grant.
Kit 21344 is tied to Thomas Grant of Maury/Marshall County, TN, who was born circa 1778. We do not know anything about him prior to 1815. Family stories suggest he was indentured for seven years and that was how he obtained passage to N. America. The stories suggest he came from Scotland and his wife, Sarah Glover, came from N. Ireland. However, these references could have pertained to their parents
Kit 21840 is tied to William Grant who was born probably in about 1774, married Ann Maidstone Hillman on Nov 4, 1795, at Woodstock, York County, New Brunswick, Canada, and died on Mar 26, 1847, at Carleton County, New Brunswick, Canada.
Kit 82582 is the 8th generation of Grants in New Brunswick Canada, who were shipped out of New York in October 1773 to Partown Canada, which is now Saint John. My Ancestor who first came here was a Widow and was addressed as Widow Grant on all documents we have found. Her husband served with the king's American Regiment and was a (Memorialist). Widow Grant had 5 sons: Peter, John, William, finley and Lawrence who all settled in New Brunswick Canada. We are still searching for Widow Grants husband who was reportedly killed at the end of the Revolutionary war in 1783. We do not know his name.
Kit 133216 is descended from Alpin Grant who left Scotland (from Fort William) in September 1775 on the ship Glasgow bound for New York. The ship was prevented from entering the harbour (in case the emigrants should join the rebels on shore) and was diverted to Boston, where most of those on board were enlisted in the Royal Highland Regiment of Emigrants, the 84th. They were then sent on to Halifax, Nova Scotia, and served the remainder of the War in Windsor, N.S. on the Bay of Fundy.
Grant DNA in Ireland
From Ella Patterson QUB Armagh Grants (as far as I know) are divided into three distinct groups known colloquially as the master Grants, The Skelps and the Watlers! My lot are the skelps and I don't think there are any males left in NI at present. Apparently some are of Scottish descent and others are believed to be Irish as there is a word in irish which means branch of a larger family tree and it sounds very like Grant. No Grants left in my area of Down although there used to be a few. Some of the US lot (there are many around Chicago) have already done a DNA test but I'm not sure if it told them anything!